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Hi Phillip and welcome.

I like your minimalist approach! How does this guitar balance with the oak neck? I use cedro to keep the weight down but admit that I never tried anything else on a classical.

It sounds like you are having fun.

That looks like a good start. How did it come out soundwise? You did well in the fit & finish category. Have you beat out the Chinese model?

Greetings Philip! You are off to a nice start. For nylon string guitars, I'd bet the oak neck is a real weight. If you want to stick with domestic woods, give cherry or walnut a try - they both make nice necks. Osage is supposed to be very nice, and I haven't tried any domestic Osage yet. I do have some Locust, which I haven't tried yet but is also supposed to be a good sleeper domestic back and side wood.

Jim

Yo, Philip,

You keep building like that you might just end up being a pro luthier laughing6-hehe

...then what you gonna do? Eh!

My "passive aggressive un humble" suggestion to you is ...

Just keep doing what you doing and don't be listenin to much to us old boys with our set ways and BS*... you just might get distracted and led down the garden path ... might take you years to rediscover what is naturally inside you and the contribution you might make to this craft.

Don't get me wrong (which me usually is, but thats another story) there is a lot of good stuff here at OFL and a few weirdos like me.

So just keep doing what you doing and enjoy as you seem to be doin it very well.

and ya, me like the minimalist clean line look.

blessings
the
Padma

*BS: belief systems

hi phillip
I take it you seperated those sections of that piano soundboard
did you use the same piece for a multi piece bookmatched look
it looks really clean great job

did you encounter any problems with the top along the way
and would you make another salvaged guitar top from a piano ?

theirs something really cool about old piano soundboards
hi phillip
I take it you seperated those sections of that piano soundboard
did you use the same piece for a multi piece bookmatched look
it looks really clean great job

did you encounter any problems with the top along the way
and would you make another salvaged guitar top from a piano ?

theirs something really cool about old piano soundboards

Author:	Phillip Patton [ Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:28 am ]
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Howdy folks! I've been lurking here for a few months, and have really enjoyed it and learned a lot, so I decided to join. A brief history: About a year ago I bought a cheap Chinese nylon string guitar, just to see if I wanted to learn how to play. I decided I did, so I played until I realized how bad the chinese guitar was. I've always been good with my hands, and decided to build myself a better one. I started with the classical kit from Grizzly, then started building one from scratch. Now I'm almost finished with my second one, and I've started my third. Here's some pics of my first one. The back and sides are Osage Orange (aka, Bois d' arc, hedge apple, horse apple, etc...) the sound board is from an old piano soundboard, the neck is burr oak. The oak and Osage both grew in my back yard, and was sawn up by a guy I know who has a portable sawmill. The bridge, headstock veneer, and fingerboard are also osage orange. I dyed the fingerboard black, obviously.

Author:	Stephen Boone [ Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:17 am ]
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Hi Phillip and welcome. I like your minimalist approach! How does this guitar balance with the oak neck? I use cedro to keep the weight down but admit that I never tried anything else on a classical. It sounds like you are having fun.

Author:	WaddyThomson [ Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:34 am ]
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That looks like a good start. How did it come out soundwise? You did well in the fit & finish category. Have you beat out the Chinese model?

Author:	SteveSmith [ Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:24 pm ]
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Hi Phillip Looks real good. Nice and clean. Waddy, I bet it beats out the Chinese model nicely although I have no doubt you were joking.

Author:	Jim Kirby [ Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:44 pm ]
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Greetings Philip! You are off to a nice start. For nylon string guitars, I'd bet the oak neck is a real weight. If you want to stick with domestic woods, give cherry or walnut a try - they both make nice necks. Osage is supposed to be very nice, and I haven't tried any domestic Osage yet. I do have some Locust, which I haven't tried yet but is also supposed to be a good sleeper domestic back and side wood. Jim

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Author:	the Padma [ Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:54 pm ]
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Yo, Philip, You keep building like that you might just end up being a pro luthier ...then what you gonna do? Eh! My "passive aggressive un humble" suggestion to you is ... Just keep doing what you doing and don't be listenin to much to us old boys with our set ways and BS... you just might get distracted and led down the garden path ... might take you years to rediscover what is naturally inside you and the contribution you might make to this craft. Don't get me wrong (which me usually is, but thats another story) there is a lot of good stuff here at OFL and a few weirdos like me. So just keep doing what you doing and enjoy as you seem to be doin it very well. and ya, me like the minimalist clean line look. blessings the Padma BS: belief systems

Author:	wolfsearcher [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:24 pm ]
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hi phillip I take it you seperated those sections of that piano soundboard did you use the same piece for a multi piece bookmatched look it looks really clean great job did you encounter any problems with the top along the way and would you make another salvaged guitar top from a piano ? theirs something really cool about old piano soundboards

Author:	MaxBishop [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:05 am ]
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Welcome to the Forum, Phillip. You did a super job on your first from-scratch guitar. I really like that you dug up the woods on your own. Hope you keep on building. Best of luck, Max

Author:	Hesh [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm ]
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Phillip your guitar is pretty outstanding for a 1st or for that matter a 10th!! You have some natural ability my friend - very impressive! Welcome to the OLF!

Author:	Phillip Patton [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:41 pm ]
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Stephen Boone wrote: Hi Phillip and welcome. I like your minimalist approach! How does this guitar balance with the oak neck? I use cedro to keep the weight down but admit that I never tried anything else on a classical. It sounds like you are having fun. I decided to keep my first couple projects simple, so no rosette or purflings or inlay. Except for the backstrip, which wasn't too difficult. I don't have a lot of experience with guitars, but the oak doesn't seem too heavy. Do you know where the balance point should be on a classical? WaddyThomson wrote: That looks like a good start. How did it come out soundwise? You did well in the fit & finish category. Have you beat out the Chinese model? It sounds a LOT better than the chinese model. I think it's even a little better than the Grizzly kit. Jim Kirby wrote: Greetings Philip! You are off to a nice start. For nylon string guitars, I'd bet the oak neck is a real weight. If you want to stick with domestic woods, give cherry or walnut a try - they both make nice necks. Osage is supposed to be very nice, and I haven't tried any domestic Osage yet. I do have some Locust, which I haven't tried yet but is also supposed to be a good sleeper domestic back and side wood. Jim I think I'll try walnut sometime. Maybe use cherry for the binding... I've been wanting to try black locust, but, alas, I don't have any black locust in my back yard. the Padma wrote: Yo, Philip, You keep building like that you might just end up being a pro luthier ...then what you gonna do? Eh! My "passive aggressive un humble" suggestion to you is ... Just keep doing what you doing and don't be listenin to much to us old boys with our set ways and BS... you just might get distracted and led down the garden path ... might take you years to rediscover what is naturally inside you and the contribution you might make to this craft. Don't get me wrong (which me usually is, but thats another story) there is a lot of good stuff here at OFL and a few weirdos like me. So just keep doing what you doing and enjoy as you seem to be doin it very well. and ya, me like the minimalist clean line look. blessings the Padma BS: belief systems Thanks for the advice. I'll keep it in mind. wolfsearcher wrote: hi phillip I take it you seperated those sections of that piano soundboard did you use the same piece for a multi piece bookmatched look it looks really clean great job did you encounter any problems with the top along the way and would you make another salvaged guitar top from a piano ? theirs something really cool about old piano soundboards hi phillip I take it you seperated those sections of that piano soundboard did you use the same piece for a multi piece bookmatched look it looks really clean great job did you encounter any problems with the top along the way and would you make another salvaged guitar top from a piano ? theirs something really cool about old piano soundboards This one I actually just cut out the shape and sanded it to thickness, so it's not bookmatched. I would definitely do it again. I think it's cool to take something like an old piano that's past it's prime, and give it new "life" like this. We have a local paper that let's you advertise for free, and this week there were four free pianos in it. I learned a few things along the way, so I could get a better yield next time. I didn't encounter any problems, except that it's a pain to get the braces and pin block off. Thanks everyone for your comments, and for the warm welcome! Happy new year! Phillip

Author:	Hesh [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:10 pm ]
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Thanks Phillip It's actually spruce, Lutz spruce from Shane at High Mountain to be exact. When I was thinking about the concept for this guitar some OLF members were less than thrilled at the prospects of anyone p*inting... a nice piece of spruce. But I like black and black is also historically accurate for some L-OOs.

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